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Bad advice. Every organization that is not a church or ministry of an existing church or association of churches is required by Federal Law to apply and be approved by the IRS in order to be tax exempt and receive tax deductible contributions. Bad advice on unincorporated assoc. also. First there is no greater authority by law or any court case that says an unincorporated church has greater religious rights or freedom compared to an incorporated. The peeps that make this allegation cite no authority, they just point back to the First Amendment, which does not prove their argument in any way. These peeps also confuse the Federal application for 501(c)(3) with incorporating at the state. They are 2 separate actions and are mutually exclusive. Second, our incorporation at the state does not waive any rights, in fact, our state laws specifically guarantee the same rights "as the natural man and woman, including the right to buy, sell, enter contracts, sue and be sued, hire legal counsel" etc. Third, if you don't incorporate the leaders and personally liable for any damage, accident, or liability. Nobody wants to volunteer or work for an organization that their personal checking accounts, home, savings, etc. is liable for damages. Fourth, if you don't incorporate it is harder to engage in economic activity, substantiate donations, acquire insurance, etc because there is no public record and benefit from incorporating. Fifth, you are protected if an economic hardship occurs, for example. the church took a loan out and now can't pay it back. If you are unincorporated you are personally liable even in bankruptcy to pay that back. That is a protection by law only from incorporating.

@@danpeterson4688 Good job Dan! I was just testing you! You passed with flying colors. He is for real people.

There is a long list of court cases for supporters of this. It is called Tax Fraud Schemes. There is no US Supreme Court cases that supports people buying and selling goods or providing services (commercial activities) free from "interference of the government" to tax. There are no (zero) attorneys or CPA's that will support this pedagogy.

A house is commonly used for those just starting a church, however, property tax exemptions apply only to property that is owned and being used by the nonprofit.

@@danpeterson4688 the house is owned by trust, the house will be used for that purpose but 508c1a recognizition. The county sent a form to be tax exempt if my property will be used for 508c1a

Not true. While a church does not have to file with the IRS to be tax exempt; the IRS does still have jurisdiction. For example, if a church hires employees the church is required to pay half the employment taxes the same as other nonprofits and for profit entities. If the church failed to pay employment taxes, then the IRS would levy and lien the church. There is already case history for this exact scenario. There are other example and other situations that a church needs to be careful to avoid that would jeopordize the tax exempt status of the church.

The IRS requires the state formation documents to also include the speech restrictions for all 501c3 organization applications in order to be approved.

You can't. A 508(C)(1)(a) is a USA law describing certain tax exempt entities. Canada is a sovereign country and USA law does not apply.

Please contact us by phone or email for questions.

Hi Sarah: Yes we can. You may call us or email us and we can send you that information.

Not true. Federal law states donations given to churches automatically qualifies as a tax deductible contribution. It does not say the donation has to be to an IRS approved church, or that donations are better if given to IRS approved church.

​@@danpeterson4688 🤔 And what law is that specifically, so I can do more research?

See 26 USC Section 170. For IRS position on this question see IRS Publication 526 and 557. @@joelrobertson3130

This is a scam

@@jaybae7315 lol How is it a scam?

We have great information on our website @ www.helpinghandoutreach.org.

@@helphandoutreach thank you

501c3 is joined at the hip to planned parenthood 😊 u forgot to say that😊GOD is the head of 508.c😊the government is the head of a 501c3 & it’s incorporated.. u are a company not a church ⛪️

The disinformation is from these people, look up in blacks law dictionary an Attorney of in jurisprudence N you will see who the attorneys first responsibility is too its not you the client they are an officer of the court these corporate courts that have incorporated and became a business for Profit. They must always side with the court first over the client this is all in the law books but u must read it for yourself bc these lawyers and attorneys will lie to you. Why do you think the bible spoke so badly of lawyers and attorneys

Of course. Most churches have the church and church ministries using the same property.

Okaaaayyy amen!! 🙌🏼

Hello John. None of our churches or church ministries pay income taxes, no nonprofits do. All of our churches and church ministries have Bylaws. Property tax exemption does not come automatically for any nonprofit, 508(C)(1)(A) or 501(C)(3); it has to be applied for after the entity is formed and only if the entity owns the property and uses the property. We organize and provide help after formation to all our clients and ministries we set up. Our ministries are operating in every state and every continent in the world for those doing missionary work overseas.

@@danpeterson4688 Right, the IRS doesn't require what it recognizes as a tax-exempt organization to pay tax on any alleged "income". I was referring to the larger issue of state domination of churches. The proper function of the Christian church is to keep the bureaucrats in line with Scripture, not for the bureaucrats to tell the Christian church how to operate. With the plethora of anti-Christian "churches" the problem is that the Christian church among the sea of cults is treated as just another fraud. Do you assist church affiliates such as a school which handles currency, pays bills, has teachers on salary, etc., to get the IRS and property tax assessors off their backs?

@@johnbrooks7144 Yes. We have set up Christian schools and yes we help them with operating. I did spend 16 years in education, with 10 years as a high school or junior high principal (public schools) including 4 years in private Christian school leadership.

@@danpeterson4688 We spent some time together in the Willie Hughes days when I was desperately trying to get even a sample of the paperwork establishing how the 508 works with the funding LLC. Useless trips to Seattle from LA, as Willie nodded off every time, never could find any sample bylaws, and I left empty handed twice and wasted my brother's time as well. Yes, I have three 508s and two LLCs, hooray, pieces of paper and a yearly fee and still don't know how to account for the transactions between the two, how money is handled inside the 508, how to account to the state for activities of the LLC which are not profit, etc., the practical things you better know before you get the attention of L&I and the IRS. I know about your public school experience. A logos school is not a public school but still has to survive the hostile government.

@@johnbrooks7144 I don't recall meeting you, you are not one of our clients, and we did not set up any of your entities. While I used to offer some limited services to Willie, that was over 12 years ago. We are not and never where partners.

This is not a forum for anti govt or those who don't believe the IRS Code exists rants, this is a forum for those who want to establish a church or ministry of an existing church. Start your own website and forum for what you want to talk about.

Sure, now tell your company not to withhold "income" taxes from your check. Then tell the IRS agent that you don't owe them anything after your "employer" has already stated that you did indeed receive "income" and that you did indeed submit to the IRS as a condition of "employment" the moment you signed a W-4 regardless of what you actually wrote on the W-4. The mere fact of making a mark on it means you already bent over. So, no W-4, no job at any corporation in the country because they are all staffed by IRS agents, paid or unpaid, who do whatever a letter from the IRS tells them to do. Every corporation is a creature of government and bound to abide by government rules for corporations. People like you with your incomplete information and general ignorance are as great a threat to the well-being of the average man as the government agents themselves because you are encouraging those American people to march right into the government cannons while you sit back in the glow of your supposed intellectual righteousness and watch the carnage.

Hi there. Your belief system is SO on point and in line with my own. God created us in his own image. We were cut from HIS cloth. Do you have a website? I would LOVE to hear/read more your faith. It is so refreshing to find a concious kindred spirit from our true origins and final destination. I so very much look forward to your reply here.

Board members are the body that legally have authority on decisions for any nonprofit. Officers are peeps who run the day to day operations. A board member may also be an officer.

Yep

Remember, we currently live in a land governed by a democratically elected republic... A republic is a way of re-presenting (micro) the public (macro) in a smaller forum to expedite decision making processes which may be to cumbersome or controversial to explore in macro due to time and space restrictions, plurality of personal beliefs, or stakeholder positioning... Ergo, it's another form of tyranny... a much softer, amorphous form of tyranny with much longer and varied time horizons than say the lifespan of a dictator, but tyranny all the same... Sic Semper Tyrannis!

In general, a nonprofit should not engage in offering goods or services on a regular basis, that is typically defined as "doing business" and should be done thru a for profit entity. If you would like consultation services, you may order off our website.

If you would like answers to operating questions, please pay for consulting time first.

Hello Kevin. We would be happy to help and answer questions. Our contact information is listed on our website.

Yes you can. You can't have a 501c3 AND a 508 at the same time. A 508 is superior to the 501c3. The 501c3 is like a hollowed out weakened/silenced/taxed/regulated 508.

Yes

Hello David: You may contact us at 253-459-9553 or info@helpinghandoutreach.org

I will be in Houston and i help people form their 508 church

@@zenlife4736 Hi there. Did you make it to Houston?

Did you get your church structure in order? Would love an update. Also... there are benefits to doing this in some states over others.

@Zionism is the cancer Of mankind What 8 papers? Do you have any links to examples? This might help the OP.

I would like information on this as well?